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January 01, 2011

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Hi Dave,

Does the Adventist discussion on perfection start here? I don't think so. It seems to me that it starts with the Millerite idea that probation closes before Christ returns. This is the point at which, using Isaiah's imagery, Christ exchanges his priestly robes for his kingly robes. Or, using the sanctuary image, at which he leaves the sanctuary. Adding to it the idea of Revelation that, his intercession ceasing means that he no longer holds back the winds. Woody Whidden has written something on this. I've got some more to write on this. Mulling it over still. :-)

Bill

First of all, thank you for your excellent contributions at www.spectrummgazine.org and elsewhere. It is very helpful to have a participant who knows Roman Catholic theology--both appreciatively and critically as the situation warrants--from the inside!

Generally speaking, weren't there many perfectionist movements in 19th century North America, with the Shakers and the Oneida Perfectionists among them? So, we emerge from a time and place where such was common.

I take your point that the idea of the close of probation before the second coming of Jesus probably fuels SDA perfectionism more than, say, Matthew 5:48. It is an interesting and important one.

I swiftly get into trouble in my own mind when I hear expressions like "close of probation" and standing "without a mediator."

It is so easy for this to leave me the impression that God turns love for others--you and me, for example--on and off at will or maybe even whim.

For this resason I'm inclined to focus on the promise that God's steadfast love endures forever and leave it at that.

Steve Moran's article and many of the comments that follow it seemed to presuppose that perfection theology is one thing and that it never changes. To the contrary, it seems evident to me that it has many forms and that they are always changing to some extent.

I'm looking forward to reading your next writings on this subject. It isn't easy!

If one reads the Sermon on he Mount as Jesus" Action Plan. The verse becomes clear.
Recall He said, not one jot or one tittle of the law shall be done away until all shall be fullfilled. When Jesus cried out:
"It is finished" He had fullfilled the entire law. Now that perfection is ours on the basis of He life, death, resurrection, and installation. Having been confirmed with sonship, we behave as family out of gratitude--We live the life of the forgiven. We behave as the redeemed in the Grace, gratitude, and generosity with which we have benefitted. Never-the-less, the perfection of God is a gift confirmed upon those who belive in the finished work of Jesus. We stand justified--perfect in Christ. We give as freely as we have been given. Tom Z

HHH Yes, the design of national policy is important, how our economic development plans for the next five years, how the implementation, how to make our economy even faster. Are designed to advance our focus to invest money in what ways it should be carefully arranged.

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